University of Wisconsin, Parkside (UWP)
California State University, Dominguez Hills(CSUDH)
Created: July 15, 2011
Latest update: July 15, 2011
E-Mail to Jeanne in L.A.
E-Mail to Susan at UWP.

E-Mail Exchange, starting with most recent.

From: Nickie Mitch
Subject: RE: Questions for students
Date: Jul 14, 2011 6:30 PM
Okay I'll get to work on this when get home Sunday. Thanks and sorry for the delay.

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:30:24 -0700
From: jeannecurran@habermas.org
To: Nickie Mitch

Subject: RE: Questions for students
CC: takata@uwp.edu

No rush, Nickie. Susan and I own this website. We are the editors. I can print bits and pieces as they come to me. Or hold some things if you want that. This is your story, sweetheart. You students will have your names on it if you're helping me write it up. If someone misses a printing, no problem. I can add it later. The adults you work with can play, too. And they can contribute questions and their thoughts.

All Susan and I want is to get your story out there so other young people and the adults they share their world with, can build on the shoulders of giants, (Robert K. Merton's book on how to create this way.) You are the giants in this case.

This brief explanation of Merton's book is from our website, but on an old file. http://www.habermas.org/evalauth.htm#onshould - forgive the mistakes on the old file, if you check it out. I wrote most of this straight into the computer; no time for editing when I was still teaching. I'm just getting back to our old files and cleaning them up now.

One of the advantages for those of you who take part in contributing to the story or working on putting it together, is you'll get a chance for trying out many of these ideas Susan and I teach with. A little extra prep for college. Learning is fun, just like politics.

But if you want your name included in list of contributors, or collaborative editors, one of your adults need to assure me that's OK. For your safety, remember?

love and peace, jeanne

Notes for Review of On the Shoulders of Giants This wonderful book of Merton's is one giant intellectual game in which he traces the origin of the phrase "On the Shoulders of Giants" all the way back to Newton. It is an incredible example of a scholar checking sources, and playing with the material as he does so. The theme of the book, of course, reminds us that there are no "new ideas" under the sun. Each idea is born of collaboration as one scholar builds upon the work and ideas of those who have gone down that path before him/her. Recent research in academic scholarship stresses the importance of collaboration, of sharing perspectives, that we may build our ideas and theories more effectively.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickie Mitch
Sent: Jul 9, 2011 6:47 PM
To: jeannecurran@habermas.org
Cc: takata@uwp.edu
Subject: RE: Questions for students

Hi Jeanne,
This is awesome, how quickly do you need our replies...etc?

Nickie

Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:19:27 -0700
From: jeannecurran@habermas.org
To: Nickie Mitch
Subject: RE: Questions for students
CC: takata@uwp.edu

Nickie, I sent $20.00 to Pay Pal to cover the cost of the T-shirt.

Now, for some questions. I understand that you all went out yesterday to ring door bells. Oh, do I remember those days.

Was it fun? Any stories about what happened?
Was anyone you visited cross or disagreeable?
How did you feel about that?
Did you go in pairs?
If yes, did it help to have someone to share with?
How did the idea to campaign this way come up? As part of class or school activities? or some other way?
Are there other young people in Columbus who might or could join you in this? Or is it just for students at your school?

These are a few questions I'd like to ask. They're meant more to help you think about the experience than to answer them specifically. Each of you can answer any of them you choose to by e-mailing me at jeannecurran@habermas.org, once the adults involved know that you are communicating with me.

I'd also like to have you tell me whatever you'd like to about your group. Either tell me where and when I could call you, please not a private home number - you don't know me and that wouldn't be safe - but an office or business number that would protect your identity and location. Also, I'd like you to share with your parents and any adults working with your group that we are sharing this information and how. I'd be delighted to have parents and adult helpers ideas about this experience, too.

Then I'll write something up, e-mail it for you, and your whole group will have access to it. You will have editorial privileges. I want whatever we put up on our site to represent your experience. Our site is copyrighted under a Creative Commons License, meaning that we hope others will follow what they see we have done, try it for themselves, and share that with others who will share it further. That really works. One of the grandparents in a community group here in L.A. asked me this week if they could do anything to help you. People care.

I would be happy to have pictures or drawings or whatever, BUT ONLY if parents and adult helpers know of this. Susan and I are parents, too. And all parents are concerned about the dangers to our young people when identities and locations are involved. Before I post anything on the Internet, I would like you to ask at least one responsible adult to share with me that this is acceptable for all of you.

I apologize for sounding overly cautious about shared correspondence, but none of us have ever had experience with all this new media and communication; and Susan and I, and your parents, and all the adults involved in your project want to protect you from any harms we haven't thought of that could happen in this new world. OK?

Meanwhile, have a bundle of fun and continue all the good work.

love and peace,

jeanne

Jeanne Curran, Esq., Prof. Emeritus

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanne Curran
Sent: Jul 6, 2011 9:31 PM
To: Nickie Mitch
Cc: Takata Susan R
Subject: RE: Contact Us Submission Received

Thanks, Nickie.

My address is: (X)
I've got Pay Pal. Will take care of that tomorrow.

Now, as for the coverage on the cross-country website I run with Susan Takata, Chair of Criminal Justice, University of Wisconsin, Parkside, how about we try what Susan and I do, since we're more than half a country away from each other.

Our website is Dear Habermas. Jurgen Habermas is a German philosopher and sociologist who is considered one of the greatest thinkers of the 20th Century. He has dedicated his life and work to understanding and explaining how we humans can live together across nation-states and across all our differences without killing one another. We call the site Dear Habermas, kind of like Dear Abby, the advice column. Our students used to ask us about each puzzling current event we discussed, "What would Habermas say about these gangs? or "What would Habermas say about the wealth gap and the need for social safety nets?" Now , how on earth would Susan and I know? We were just two college teachers. We never met Habermas. We just taught with his ideas about the need to get people to talk to each other and listen in good faith to what the other person was saying. So we treated their questions the way we figured whoever Dear Abby was treated all those advice column questions. She (or maybe it was a he) told them what she or he thought, based on her or his understanding of all that she or he had learned.

Here's how Susan and I handle our site. I write what I think and what I'd like to know and post it on our site. Then Susan and I talk it over, both by e-mail and by phone. How about tomorrow I write a brief piece and post it on our site. I'll also write up things I'd like to ask you. Then I'll send you an e-mail with the link to what I've written on the site. Then any of you who would like to answer or tell me about what you've learned or how you feel about your project can either e-mail me, or let me know when and where I could phone you, and we'll talk about it.

No, I cannot come to Columbus right now. That would, of course, be ideal. But Susan and i are trying to get our site updated, checking all the URLs and updating history (our website is almost 14 years old) as soon as possible to start helping local communities do their own campaigning about what we need to accomplish in the 2012 elections. I''m spending all day programming on the site, and starting up local groups to increase awareness about the issues. So I'll settle for this method, if you will. And, yes, of course, you can tell anyone you want about this.

I'm on facebook, but I'm still learning my way around. That's how I found you all. And that's why I decided it was time to get on facebook. I'm on Twitter, too, but I haven't even put up a profile yet. Anthony Weiner scared me off. I'm older, you see. And in my day, well, one couldn't even imagine such things. . http://www.habermas.org/. This is the link for Dear Habermas .

Let me know how this will work for you. Gee, I wish I had Obama here to tell us we really must come to an agreement. But Susan, to whom I have copied this, is getting very good at getting consensus from her students. Mine were more like field mice, always taking off on paths and roads not yet taken. (See the home page of Dear Habermas for a clue as to what I mean by that. Hint: Check out the Enter button. Hint: It's Susan's favorite poem.)

love and peace to you all,
jeanne

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickie Mitch
Sent: Jul 6, 2011 2:12 PM
To: jeannecurran@habermas.org
Subject: RE: Contact Us Submission Received

You can use PayPal to pay for the shirt (link at the bottom of this page http://studentsforpriscilla.yolasite.com/donate.php ). The shirt costs $13.50+$5.20 shipping, so $18.70. What's your mailing address?

Absolutely, we would love to featured and used as an example. How do you want to get in touch with us? (e-mail, phone, skype...etc?). Is it okay if we send a press release to some local news outlets about you featuring us as an example of a student-run community action group?

Thanks,
Nickie Mitch
Chair-Students for Priscilla Scalf

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:27:12 -0700
From: jeannecurran@habermas.org
To: Nickie Mitch
Subject: RE: Contact Us Submission Received

Thanks ever so much, Nickie. I wanted to wear the t-shirt when I teach a community group of students some fun crochet techniques.

Please use this e-mail address when you tell me how to pay for it. I'll need it sent to California, so don't forget that cost, too.

I'd like to have a chance to exchange messages with a few of you students who are involved in this campaign. I'd like to include your group as an example for those I'll be working with in our local Hollywood community, and feature your group on my website at two universities.

love, peace, and good government for all,

jeanne

Jeanne Curran, Esq.
Emeritus Professor
California State University, Dominguez Hills

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickie Mitch
Sent: Jul 5, 2011 3:18 PM
To: jeannecurran@habermas.org
Subject: RE: Contact Us Submission Received

Yep, absolutely! I'll put you on the list. The t-shirts will be done in about 2 weeks and we can connect then.

Thanks,
Nickie Mitch
Chair-Students for Priscilla Scalf

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:34:38 -0400
From: Mail Notice
To: Nickie Mitch
Subject: Contact Us Submission Received

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